When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. This is ALL so disappointing and disheartening. Ortberg has been a featured speaker at many events, including: In the summer of 2018, Ortberg's son, John III, confessed to him that he was sexually attracted to minors. My mom would come up to my room and cuddle while we talked when I was little and not so little. I know youre already looking at this post like this: O.O. To choose to continue to take a medication in spite of those side effects, when there are so many other sleep aids available, makes no sense. @ Davis and Natasha: The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. False teaching/theology always has a wrong view of God, man, sin, and salvation. They are in denial. I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. Read Paul on Mars hill. Ho old is John Ortberg? These kinds of document preservation policies are in place to protect the organization. Thats Bill Hybels church, and its also the same church Lee Strobel attended when he first converted to TRUE CHRISTIANITY. Shameful! I think I said in another thread, there are hugs and there are hugs and we can generally tell the difference. Megachurch pastor John Ortberg kept a family member's attraction to It goes with safe spaces at college. Ephesians 4:2 In general, she said, it would be the far more prudent choice for someone who is attracted to children to stick to those other opportunities. We have not seen courageous leadership. If we do that, whether it is an elderly shut in praying for her friends and family in solitude or a person such as Peter standing in front of thousands, so long as we do whatever the Lord asks, that is a great work. The church cited theological differences in the break, which came after years of dispute in the PC(U.S.A.) over sexuality, and paid close to $9 million in order to keep its property. Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. They hired John Ortberg to be their pastor. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. Right afterward, they joineda new denomination called A Covenant Order of Evangelical Presbyterians (ECO, and yes, it sounds kinda silly but I guess all the cool names and acronyms have been taken by now). I do. However, for my part, I did not balance my responsibilities as a father with my responsibilities as a leader. No. I was deeply wounded and deeply burdened with guilt and self anger. I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. All rights reserved. Fine, however, increased accountability comes with this. Thankfully, lately that cover-up system is starting to crack. I have encountered such men who speak pridefully about how many they have saved. So, Am I over thinking it?, one wonders. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted.

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